CINCINNATI — A former military intelligence officer told members of congress that information about unidentified anomalous phenomena has been withheld for years. That happened at a hearing in Washington Wednesday, along with other testimony that, if true, would blur the lines between reality and what we used to think was fiction.

What You Need To Know

  • A former military intelligence officer told members of congress that information about unidentified anomalous phenomena has been withheld for years at a hearing in Washington

  •  David MacDonald, the executive director of the Mutual UFO Network, said it lifted the stigma about UFO research

  • MUFON, which has its headquarters in Cincinnati, is the oldest and largest UFO investigating agency in the world, and, Macdonald said, played a key role in bringing about Wednesday’s hearing

  • In the hearing, lawmakers heard of the crash retrieval program for unidentified anomalous phenomena, or UAP

At the very least, it’s becoming harder and harder to ignore the potential evidence that something else could be out there.

“For the first time in all these years, the stigma has been lifted. The members of congress and the senate have all said the same thing. We have never in our careers seen as much bipartisanism as this topic has generated. It’s not political. Both sides are lockstep. They’re on board. And they’re upset,” said David MacDonald, Executive Director of the Mutual UFO Network. “I mean we have so much hard evidence, documented evidence, that it’s next to impossible to ignore. Yet, as you heard in the meeting, there’s an awfully powerful force keeping this stuff under wraps.”

MUFON, which has its headquarters in Cincinnati, is the oldest and largest UFO investigating agency in the world. MacDonald said the organization played a key role in bringing about Wednesday’s hearing.

There, David Grusch, a former intelligence officer in the Air Force and National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, appeared before the House Oversight Committee.

“I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program,” Grusch told the committee.

He appeared along with two former fighter pilots. They said they have firsthand experience with unidentified anomalous phenomena, or UAP.

“Two F-18 super hornets were split by a UAP. The object, described as a dark grey or a black cube inside of a clear sphere, came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft, and was estimated to be 5 to 15 feet in diameter,” said Ryan Graves, a former Navy pilot.

Grusch accused the military of misappropriating funds to cover up these operations. He said he interviewed people with direct knowledge of aircraft with “nonhuman” origins, and that the U.S. government has possession of non-human biologics from those craft.

MacDonald says it was refreshing to him for all of this to go on the official record.

“They’re starting to admit they most certainly do have crash material. They have intact spacecraft, period,” he said. “I have pictures of supposed crash sight material. The amount of evidence, it’s overwhelming. There are people sitting in prison today convicted on the tiniest fraction of evidence that we have to support our position that there is other life out there.”

Macdonald said he believes most people don’t need to know every military secret, but when it comes to matters of nonhuman intelligent life, he said people will know a lot more, and soon.

He mentioned a question he’s often asked.

“‘When are we going to see disclosure?’ And I always told them you will see it, but I don’t think I will in my lifetime. I’ve changed my mind. I just might,” MacDonald said.

Members of congress appear motivated to make that happen as well.

The full hearing can be viewed here.

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